I think I found the Solution to my winter car problem! NPoCP

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390) 07/14/2014 at 12:31 • Filed to: NPoCP

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I could live with this! Manual, Boxer engine, two doors, and AWD! for $3k exactly! I'd switch out the gold wheels too for steelies and snow tires and all would be alright! Yes it's an RS, but it's the last and only thing that fits my needs and since I know nothing about Subaru's, I'm okay with driving this in the off-season!

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jkm7680 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:32

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Dat Rust.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > jkm7680 07/14/2014 at 12:32

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Don't care! I'd take it either way, makes me feel less guilty about driving it in snow.

MonkeePuzzle > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:34

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yikes rust, and was never a fan of the DOHC in that year, reliability issues. Not that the SOCH 2.5 didnt have its own issues.

the rust would be a concern, if its that bad on the body whats the critical suspension parts like.

jkm7680 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:34

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Take a look-see under the car, that should be the true deciding factor.

MonkeePuzzle > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:35

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World Rally Blue AND gold wheels, man that's an awesome combo!

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:35

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So it has rust, questionable mechanical claims, and needs work? Tread carefully.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > jkm7680 07/14/2014 at 12:35

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I would have to do that yes.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > MonkeePuzzle 07/14/2014 at 12:36

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What's wrong with the DOHC?

yamahog > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:36

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Talk him down on the rust, mileage, and tire condition.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:37

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Why not just buy winter tires for the Focus?

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:38

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All of this fucking rust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep gold wheels. But it is a good deal.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 12:38

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I just can't find anything else that I'd want to drive in the winter. I thought BMW for awhile but then I reckoned it'd be stupid expensive to even think of that, and everyone's saying RWD is a nono and I'm thinking "how'd anyone survive the 70s and 80s?". There's just no real car I would want to drive in the winter for $3k. What would you get if you had to and didn't want a truck or SUV?

Reigntastic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:39

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3k? I know it's a 2.5RS, but still... I'd offer probably a third of that. If the wheel arches are that bad, the undercarriage is fucked.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:39

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Why not drive the Focus? Get a summer weekend car instead?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 12:39

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Oh...You don't know? -_-

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/okay-oppo-here…

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic 07/14/2014 at 12:40

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Is it bad that I didn't think that was a lot?......

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 12:41

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This is why, if you haven't read it yet..

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/okay-oppo-here…

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:41

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What happened to a Taurus SHO?

That is horrifically rusty.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Reigntastic 07/14/2014 at 12:42

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Dammit! Why can't I just drive a damn Mustang in the snow?? People did it in the 60s and 70s and 80s and still do it now! It cannot possibly be that bad can it?

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:42

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I would grind it down and plastic dip over it with a dark blue. It is a beater after all.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2014 at 12:43

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Every single SHO I find is just as rusty. They're all in shitty condition.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:44

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lolwut

It seems as if buying the 944 is a bad decision. I would've just kept the Focus.

Louros > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:45

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Let me get this straight... you're selling a Focus ST to buy a 944 and a winter beater?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:45

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Patience, it's only July. You've got some time before you need it.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:45

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It isn't horrible but it is enough.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 12:45

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It's not that bad; it's finding a damn winter car I would like that's near impossible.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:46

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Ah, Subaru or Audi are you main options though. Be insanely careful with both, Audi has your standard German problems and Subaru's are notorious for eating head gaskets.

Textured Soy Protein > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:47

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Well at least you got off that Mustang idea. That was stupid.

I wouldn't get this 2.5RS because I definitely would never spend $3000 on any vehicle with that much rust on it.

Why haven't you looked at older Jeeps? Last November I got a rust-free '99 Grand Cherokee Limited V8 for $4200. I'm sure you could find something decent for less than that.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:47

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Why not just get winter tires for the 944? You'll save space and money.

Textured Soy Protein > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:48

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Do you want it to be actually good in the snow? At minimum you'd need snow tires. I did that with a Miata when it was my only car. But for a car specifically for the winter, I wouldn't go that route.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Louros 07/14/2014 at 12:49

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I was already getting the 944. My dad is trading in his car and I'm selling my mom's current car to get her a new VolvoI'm possibly a Focus ST to get my dad a new car and myself an winter car

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2014 at 12:50

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I just want all my ducks in a row as soon as possible is all.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic 07/14/2014 at 12:50

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Ok

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 12:51

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What would you recommend other than those two?

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:52

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Just grind it down to bare metal and plastic dip over it.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Textured Soy Protein 07/14/2014 at 12:53

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Because I'd rather have a car. -_-

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 12:54

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I just don't wanna be the first person in it's life to winter drive it...-_-

118k miles and no snow is rather impressive.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Textured Soy Protein 07/14/2014 at 12:54

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What would you suggest?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:56

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I'd hold out a little longer. You might be able to find a cleaner Impreza or Taurus.

yamahog > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:56

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A lot more people also died in car crashes in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Considering how nasty this winter was, I'm kind of surprised you're still entertaining the Mustang Icescapades notion. At best, it'll be a pain just digging the thing out every morning.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 12:57

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With your requirements I'm not sure there are any others to be honest

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > yamahog 07/14/2014 at 12:59

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I'm stubborn as hell, why do you think I'm still buying that 944? :P

Kidding aside. I just want a manual 6-cylinder something.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2014 at 12:59

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What else is out there including those two?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:00

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Okay, is there anything with a 6-cylinder in coupe or sedan form that has a manual and any drivetrain?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Vince-The Roadside Mechanic 07/14/2014 at 13:02

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Maybe I should keep looking.

yamahog > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:03

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Manual XJ, boom :P

RWD, 4WD, winter-capable, dirt cheap, parts are cheap and plentiful, the 4.0L will outlast nuclear winter.

Reigntastic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:06

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Just get studded tires, who cares if they aren't street legal. You need them.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:07

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I just thought of something. Have you looked at the Ford Contour SVT?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > yamahog 07/14/2014 at 13:07

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What about an XJS?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:07

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There's always the Subaru Legacy or Outback.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:08

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Something like this guy?

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/453415…

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:10

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No? Looks decent. Never thought of it before. Any problems with those?

ncasolowork2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:10

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Do yourself a favor and find a more reliable Subaru. For $3k you should be able to do much better than that. Heck you can probably find a junky SUV for $500 or $1000 and when it dies buy another. Maybe you can even find an older AWD Volvo.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Reigntastic 07/14/2014 at 13:10

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I don't think it'd work.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ncasolowork2 07/14/2014 at 13:11

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I5 Volvo?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:12

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How do you find these cars?? I can't seem to find anything decent on CL.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:12

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Here's a better option for you, if you feel like doing the work. And can get his price down a bit, which shouldn't be THAT difficult.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/456752…

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:12

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Sorry, I dont know a lot about them. They all have manuals and V6's though. I'm sure someone around here owned one at some point.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2014 at 13:12

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Boxer-6 Legacy..Mmmmm

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:13

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I been trolling CL since I was like 15. You figure out how to find good stuff after a while

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:16

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Well, sounds like the Legacy is an option then.

Reigntastic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:16

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People drive C4s during winter on blizzaks, ye of little faith.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 07/14/2014 at 13:16

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Or a Mustang that you were so determined on before. Even comes with a set of winter wheels and tires.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/453286…

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:17

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Could you find a manual Taurus SHO?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:18

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Teach me.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:19

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Which gen?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:19

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It's not like you're gonna keep it forever. I'd only care about the weather if I was going to keep the car for the rest of my life.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Reigntastic 07/14/2014 at 13:20

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So if people drive C4s in the winter, I could drive a Mustang then?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/14/2014 at 13:21

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If the right one is found, maybe.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:21

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2nd gen.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 13:22

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I'm gonna keep that car for as long as I can, if not forever...

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:28

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lolwhy

Reigntastic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:29

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Yeah. Live rear axle will make it fun, too.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:31

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I know this is west side of the state but find another as good as this.

http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ctd/4534819102…

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 13:38

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Why not?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Reigntastic 07/14/2014 at 13:38

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I can sense some sarcasm here. I don't see a problem with live axle for simple daily driving? I need more info.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:40

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I mean I don't mind going to the west side to find a car at all(not yet at least), It's not a manual but it probably is the nicest SHO around. It's bookmarked.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:41

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From the looks of it you may be a year or two late on the second gen SHO's. The rest of them out there seem to be basket cases.

ncasolowork2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:43

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No idea. Don't know anything about Volvo's in that price range just that they exist. I got a new car in 2012 and was shopping used in the $13,000 range for AWD so Volvo hit my radar. Ended up deciding on a new Subaru due to a significant difference in gas milage when they went to the wimpy CVT

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:50

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Damn...Anything else left? VW? Maybe a Focus SVT.. -_-

Reigntastic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:50

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Not during normal DD, but I'd imagine it makes it easy to rotate on snow.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:51

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Focus SVT will be out of your price range most likely. VW is a 50/50 shot for a nightmare. What do you not like about the Contour?

yamahog > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:51

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There is a 95 XJ with 120k mi on a 4.0L with 5spd trans on sale for $2000 in the Michigan XJ Selling Post facebook group right meow.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Reigntastic 07/14/2014 at 13:52

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Maybe.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 13:55

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It's not that I don't like it. It looks nice and clean. I just want to establish every single option I've got before I choose. If I can't have a Mustang or RWD car as a winter car, it's gotta be something else that's been thoroughly thought out.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > yamahog 07/14/2014 at 13:56

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I see. Well I'm not yet ready to go out and buy one just yet. I'm just testing the waters so to speak. I want to plan ahead. Very far ahead.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 13:59

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Looking into it. The Focus SVT will be in your price range at a minimum of 160k miles. So, a lot of wear parts will probably be getting ready to die.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 14:03

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Ok, cool. What do you think about a BMW?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 14:05

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They are all RWD.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 14:10

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Yeah, I just can't let them go. Howabout a Ford Probe V6? Or a Firebird? It can't be that impossible to live with.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 14:12

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Do what you want. Your too picky. At this rate you won't sell the Focus and won't have a beater.

Textured Soy Protein > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 14:14

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Let me tell ya, I've always been a "I would rather have a car" person. But I think that changes somewhat when you're talking about something for winter. I've always had smaller, sportier cars. Aside from my Jeep, which is my winter car, the biggest car I've ever owned was a Mazdaspeed 6.

I've got my 135is to drive the rest of the year. But in the winter, I love my Jeep.

A Grand Cherokee is obviously no sports car. It's mostly like driving a couch. But there's something fun about the feeling of being able to drive over crap, and it's great in the winter. With all-season truck tires, it's overall way better in the snow than my old MS6 with Blizzaks was—except for braking. Really the biggest advantage snow tires give you is under braking. Which is important, but I've learned to compensate.

There are other benefits to having the Jeep around. Like for when I need a back seat, or to carry around large items, or when I go on a road trip with my gf and she insists on bringing more crap along than will fit in either my 135is or her Civic.

If you'd rather have something smaller, well, a regular Cherokee is pretty small actually. Either way, take your time finding a good one, since they're older and not all will be trouble free. I lucked out with mine in that while it's not perfect, there's no major issues. Which for a 15 year old vehicle that I put under 5k miles a year on, is totally fine.

At the very least I'd go check out some Jeeps. If you don't like them, then fine. But you might be pleasantly surprised.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 14:14

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I've heard nightmare stories about the Probes reliability. I heard the later ones were better but finding a clean late one will be tough on top of the questions that already exist.

JEM > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 14:19

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Partial devil's advocate here...

Why are you so dead set against a truck/SUV? Honestly for the winter, if you ever regularly get any serious (6"+) storms you will really appreciate the ground clearance.

I was a dead set hatchback fan for 15 years but bought a Jeep Cherokee because I couldn't take the hills and regular bad winters we were getting anymore. I have never owned a truck (except a beater Grand Wagoneer in college) before but now I am a fully committed Jeep person. Never thought I would be but.... it happens.

TL:DR - Don't knock it till you try it.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JEM 07/14/2014 at 14:31

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I just don't want one. It's like getting a shot from a doctor; I just don't want one at all. They're big and unappealing to me. I'd rather take a hatch. I could drive an Escape, but I'd rather not.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 07/14/2014 at 14:33

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I guess I'll have to stick with the Fords that we've listed. They seem to be the only one's I'm okay with.

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 15:12

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I'm sure you'll want to trade up eventually. Have you SEEN your dad's car? It's awesome.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 15:18

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Never seen it before. It's in the garage every day I leave for work so I have to walk past some random red coupe...YES OF COURSE I SEE IT!

But I'm being completely honest here, I'm buying a 944 that should actually be worth $5k and I'm getting it for $2900! It's in much better condition than the 911 too. Which means I've got the base for my perfect 944! Early dash, manual and these seats!

I'm gonna throw out a crazy idea here, but work with me on this: What if I got another 944/924 as a winter car? And kept the nicer one at home in the winter?

Brian Silvestro > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/14/2014 at 16:04

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That's exactly what you should do.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Brian Silvestro 07/14/2014 at 16:27

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Actually?